Tim McDonald
Principal
Performance management and disciplinary meetings are often confronting for employees. Unfortunately, they can become acrimonious affairs, and employees may lose trust in the managers or other personnel involved. To the employee, it may be important to have a “true” record of the meeting, either to vindicate their claims that the manager was bullying them or to prove that they raised an issue and the employer did not provide them with adequate supports to improve their performance.
Sometimes, an employee may decide to “wear a wire” to capture what they perceive as an exculpatory conversation with their employer. In an age when watches and mobile phones can be covert recording devices, there are a few things to be aware of if private meetings are recorded.
Laws exist in each state and territory to regulate the use of surveillance devices. These laws provide criminal offences for conducting surveillance and for related activities, in particular for communicating information obtained under surveillance.
In Western Australia, covert audio and video recording is governed by the Surveillance Devices Act 1998 (WA) (the Act). Similar legislation exists in other Australian jurisdictions. The legislation in other states contain different defences. Other relevant State/Territory legislation is:
I note that during the committee stage of the Surveillance Devices Bill, Mr Kobelke MLA referred to a situation where an employee used a tape recorder to record his conversation with his employer when the employer abused him and told him the grounds on which he was to be sacked – which were not legal grounds for sacking. The Minister in charge of the bill, Mr Prince, said that the conversation and did not disclose this use to his employer, he was protecting his lawful interest…
That case concerned an employee who made a recording of their manager. The employee had a claim under equal opportunity legislation that the employer terminated her employment because she was pregnant. On appeal, the employer did not challenge that the recording was in the public interest and/or for the protection of the employee’s lawful interests: Channel Seven Perth Pty Ltd v “S” (A company) [2007] WASCA 122 [9].
In a later decision, Allanson J listed a number of factors to consider whether a recording was in a party’s “lawful interests” in Georgiou Building Pty Ltd v Perrinepod Pty Ltd [2012] WASC 72 [16] (citations omitted, emphasis added):
There are cases where the mere desire to have a reliable record of the conversation is not sufficient: Legal Profession Complaints Committee v Rayney [No 2] [2018] WASAT 5 [40]. In other cases, Courts have found it was “reasonably necessary” for someone to make a covert recording to protect their interests should something go “wrong”: Navabi v Ghasemi [2019] WADC 1 at [22] – [25].
It will very much depend on the circumstances at the time of the recording. We suggest that if an employee is told they:
it may not be “reasonably necessary” for the employee to make a recording. Certainly, if the employee is told they cannot make a recording and the other persons present do not consent to them recording the meeting, it is unlikely to be “appropriate” and therefore objectively “reasonable”.
If the employee reasonably believes (at the time they made the recording) that the recording is in the “public interest”, they will have a full defence. The definition of “public interest” in the Act is not exhaustive, but indicates that Parliament intended for the term to mean something with far-reaching public consequences (s.24):
… the interests of national security, public safety, the economic well being of Australia, the protection of public health and morals and the protection of the rights and freedoms of citizens.
The test for this defence was analysed in Pihema v The State of Western Australia [2017] WASC 282, where Jenkins J listed seven factors to consider. Importantly, it is not sufficient for the employee to say they believed the recording was in the public interest; they must have a basis for that belief, and the belief must be reasonable. If the employee only had a subjective belief that the recording was in the public interest, this defence will fail (at [29] (citations omitted, emphasis added)):
If the employee demonstrates that they did not intend to record the conversation but the recording was made anyway, they will have a full defence. We have all experienced times where our mobile phones call somebody or do something seemingly of its own initiative. An employee may say that the recording was “unintentional”. It will fall to the decision maker to find whether their account is plausible in the circumstances. If the employee only ‘accidentally’ recorded conversations with their manager and not other conversations, this may tend to disprove their contention that the recording was “unintentional”. If the employee made a series of recordings unintentionally before the subject recording, this may tend to support their argument. If other unintentional recordings only occur after the subject recording, this may tend to disprove the employee’s defence.
Consent can be express or implied. If consent is implied, a decision maker (such as the Fair Work Commission) will look at the circumstances and assess whether each party to the conversation gave consent. Obviously, if any party to the conversation says “I do not consent to being recorded” or words to that effect, consent is expressly refused and cannot be implied unless the person says something subsequently to give consent.
The Fair Work Commission is not bound by the rules of evidence and may exercise its discretion to receive or reject evidence: Fair Work Act 2009 (Cth) s.591. However, the rules of evidence are observed by the Commission in appropriate cases. The Commission will often feel bound by s.138 of the Evidence Act 1995 (Cth), which permits illegally obtained evidence in cases where the “desirability of admitting the evidence outweighs the undesirability of admitting evidence”.
The starting point is that an illegal recording should not be admitted. Desirability of an illegal recording is unlikely to outweigh the undesirability unless the recording provides quite conclusive evidence in support of the party’s case.
Parties should be very careful to rely on a covert recording because the Full Bench has noted that the making of a covert recording is itself a valid reason for dismissal: Schwenke v Silcar Energy Solutions [2013] FWCFB 9842 [3].
The Commission has made other, strong comments about covert recordings and their corrosive effect on the employment relationship ((Gadzikwa v Department of Human Services [2018] FWC 4878 [83]) (emphasis added)):
Unless there is a justification, I consider the secret recording of conversations with co-workers to be highly inappropriate, regardless of whether it may also constitute a criminal offence in the relevant jurisdiction. The reason it is inappropriate is because it is unfair to those who are secretly recorded. They are unaware that a record of their exact words is being made. They have no opportunity to choose their words carefully, be guarded about revealing confidences or sensitive information concerning themselves or others, or to put their best foot forward in presenting an argument or a point of view. The surreptitious recorder, however, can do all of these things, and unfairly put himself at an advantage. Moreover, once it is known that a person has secretly recorded a conversation, this is apt to produce a sense of foreboding in others, an apprehension that they must be cautious and vigilant. This is potentially corrosive of a healthy and productive workplace environment. Generally speaking, the secret recording of conversations with colleagues in the workplace is to be deprecated.
Generally speaking, it is possible to rely on facts that come to light after a dismissal to justify the employer’s decision to terminate. If faced with a covert recording in an unfair dismissal claim, it may be possible to rely on that as a reason for terminating the employment in any event.
This case law update is intended for general information only and you should not act upon it or omit to act on the basis of anything contained herein without first obtaining legal advice in relation to any particular matter or issue.